No Longer a Honey Badger

[DISCLAIMER]

Before I’m able to adequately present a psychoeducational lesson on my approach to Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT), some context is necessary regarding this relatively lengthy post. On June 30, 2023, I posted a blog entry entitled On Sheepdogs in which I stated:

Using a rational approach to this matter, I think I’d rather be a honey badger that isn’t anywhere in the vicinity of the sheep, wolf, sheepdog trio. After all, I’ve been reliably informed that “Honey badger don’t care, honey badger don’t give a shit.”

In that blogpost, I critiqued a false trilemma by author Dave Grossman in his book On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society. Highlighting Grossman’s concept of the sheepdog, one source states:

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf.

But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero’s path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.

During the time that I was in the United States Marine Corps, serving in the field of military police, I self-identified as a sheepdog. Yet, after thinking critically about the false trilemma set forth by Grossman, I introduced a helpful fourth option: a honey badger.

I have a capacity for violence, don’t have a “deep love” for my fellow citizens, and I have no interest in harming members of the so-called flock of sheep. Ergo, “honey badger don’t care, honey badger don’t give a shit” about an illogical and unreasonable (irrational) false trilemma.

Here, further context is warranted. I didn’t come up with the honey badger concept on my own. Not long after I graduated with a master’s degree in social work, a number of online content creators used the honey badger motif to exemplify an individual that pushed against the grain.

I was eager for people to speak out about the irrationally of feminism after I spent from 2012 to 2014 being subjected to this nonsensical ideology. Favorably, I found one such individual. In a 2020 episode of his YouTube series, Canadian marketing professor Gad Saad stated:

I despise weakness. The world is not shaped by weak, tepid, meek, cowardly, timid, tentative folks. It is shaped by courage, boldness, fierceness, risk-taking, strength, temerity, etcetera. Activate your inner-honey badger.

Be kind as a default setting, but exceptionally fierce when required. Defend your principles fully, unequivocally, and unapologetically. Grow a spine. Don’t be an invertebrate. Be a honey badger. Learn this lesson, internalize it, live it.

I liked the concept of Saad’s proposition, as I adopted it for my own use. Unfavorably, following the attacks by Hamas toward Israelis on October 7, 2023 (“October 7th”), Saad—of Jewish descent—appeared to have forsaken his rational principles for irrational appeals to emotion.

Thus, I stopped consuming his online content. Still, when he appeared on other YouTube channels, I listened to what Saad had to say. For instance, on May 22, 2024, I posted a blog entry entitled Reasoning with the Unreasonable in which I stated:

I recently listened to an episode of Joe Rogan’s podcast that featured professor Gad Saad. The following statement from Saad caught my attention:

[Explaining a question asked of him on a separate forum] He [interviewer] said, “In your 30-year career as a behavioral scientist, as a professor, what is the singular human phenomenon that has surprised you the most?” which I thought was an amazing question.

I had never been asked before. Yeah, it’s an amazing one, because you know I’ve seen tons of stuff. So I paused for a moment and then I said, “I think it’s the inability of people to change their opinions once they are anchored in a position.”

I began life coaching in the ‘90s, graduated with a Master of Arts in counseling in 2011, began officially practicing clinically at that time, graduated with a Master of Science in Social Work in 2014, and have continued coaching and practicing since. I, too, have 30 years of experience working with people.

As much as I may unreasonably want to object to Saad’s statement, I cannot honestly do so. Although not an impossible feat, I acknowledge significant difficulty with persuading people out of their anchored opinions and beliefs – with or without being highly emotive. Saad continued:

[When asked by Rogan later in the episode, “What is the most surprising thing to you that people do that seems obvious that they shouldn’t do, in terms of the way they think about things?”] Not alter their positions in light of incoming evidence. That’s the big one, because in a sense, it speaks to your decency as a human being – epistemologically – if we are true, honest people we change. It’s as you said, we make mistakes.

We held positions, because we had information ABC, but now XYZ comes in and we change. And any good, decent, moral person with integrity has to be able to do that. But to your earlier point, most of us are vain. Most of us have pride. Most of us have vested interests in whatever positions we’re in. We can’t let go of those positions, because it would affect my identity.

Saad clearly used a referential index shift (finding someone else who has a way of thinking you wish to model – one’s reference system, and entering that model of the world while noting from their perspective – and in all modalities the process and results of their thinking and/or action).

Specifically, Saad stated, “Most of us have vested interests in whatever positions we’re in. We can’t let go of those positions,” as he referenced others outside of himself. Saad then index-shifted back to himself by stating that “it would affect my identity” to have changed his mind.

To be exceedingly clear, on his own platform, Saad once outlined a principle of fortitude when advocating one’s own position. Then, when speaking with Rogan, Saad ostensibly admitted that he doesn’t necessarily conduct himself according to his own honey badger principle.

This was apparent to me, given how Saad has seemingly been “weak, tepid, meek, cowardly, timid,” to borrow his own words, when neglecting to highlight the actions of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes committed by Israel since October 7th. One wonders why this is.

I’m critiquing Saad’s ideas, not the man himself. He’s merely a fallible human being who apparently lacks emotional insight about the October 7th response from Israel. Noteworthy, on October 30, 2025, I posted a blog entry entitled I Don’t Agree With Everything That Anyone Says in which I stated:

[W]ith my approach to care for mental, emotional, and behavioral health (collectively “mental health”), I invite people to consider scripts which are rational (in accordance with both logic and reason).

Here, “logic” is the interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable, and “reason” is a statement offered in explanation or justification. For instance, a modus ponens syllogism uses the following logical form: If p, then q; p; therefore, q.

For example, if I listen to white nationalist political commentator, activist, and live streamer Nick Fuentes (p), then I don’t agree with everything he has to say (q). Noteworthy, using this logical form, it’s inferred that premises p and q follow without completing the syllogistic form.

Allow me to offer another example. If you hear that I’m willing to listen to what Fuentes has to say (p), then you may not agree with my advocacy for listening to people with commentary that you find disagreeable (q). […]

Recently, I’ve listened to Fuentes being interviewed by Bradley Martyn, Candace Owens, Dave Smith, Alex Jones, Patrick Bet-David, Myron Gaines, Dinesh D’Souza, and – the most recent one that seems to have resulted in the largest rift within the right-wing sphere – Tucker Carlson.

“But, Deric,” you may plead, “why would you listen to any of them?” I don’t agree with everything that anyone says. You understand that, right? I challenge myself to find at least one talking point with which I agree when listening. So, daily, I practice REBT. Is that not clear?

For my part, more people could achieve a eudaimonic method of living if they sought knowledge, wisdom, and understanding by remaining open to consideration of differing perspectives—even those ideas deemed abhorrent. Many people disagree, as one source reports:

Carlson was facing intense backlash from much of the Christian right and Jewish conservatives over his sitdown with one-time foe Fuentes. While the two-hour chat featured Fuentes singing the praises of Josef Stalin, bemoaning the problem of “organized Jewry in America,” and telling Carlson the importance of being “pro-white, there was one moment in particular that really sparked anger from a large number of conservatives.

“And then the Christian Zionists who are, well, Christian Zionists. What is that? I can just say for myself, I dislike them more than anybody, because it’s Christian heresy,” Carlson told Fuentes at one point. “And I’m offended by that as a Christian.”

From that cited source, I’ve italicized evidence of self-disturbance.

Now, for that REBT lesson to which I alluded. REBT uses the ABC model to illustrate that when an undesirable Action occurs and you Believe an unhelpful narrative about the event, it’s your unfavorable assumption, not the occurrence itself, that causes an unpleasant Consequence.

Addressing how people upset themselves with unhelpful attitudes, the ABC model incorporates Disputation of unproductive philosophies of life in order to explore Effective new beliefs. Whereas rigid beliefs cause self-disturbance, flexible beliefs result in an un-disturbed condition.

Additionally, REBT uses unconditional acceptance (UA) to relieve self-induced suffering. This is accomplished through use of unconditional self-acceptance (USA), unconditional other-acceptance (UOA), and unconditional life-acceptance (ULA).

Whereas the ABC model is a scientific approach to wellness, UA serves as a philosophical method for un-disturbing yourself. I view the former as an abortive approach to disturbance and the latter as a preventative method. Of course, not all REBT practitioners use the same style as I.

With my approach to REBT, I incorporate author Stephen Covey’s concepts regarding the circles of control, influence, and concern, as well as an area of no concern. UA maps onto the circle of control (USA), circle of influence (UOA), and circle of concern and area of no concern (ULA).

The circle of control encompasses only oneself, the circle of influence encapsulates elements which may be subject to one’s sway, the circle of concern engrosses most matters one can imagine, and the area of no concern relates to all content which isn’t yet imagined.

Given the perspective of my approach to REBT, Saad has presumably disturbed himself quite a bit with unfavorable beliefs about Carlson having interviewed Fuentes. Expanding upon this matter I recently listened to David Freiheit and Robert Barnes discussing Saad, as Barnes stated:

This is a guy [Saad] who has staked out his public career on opposing cancel culture. And, you know, Kevin Roberts comes out—the head of [The] Heritage [Foundation], who has shifted Heritage from a corporate-serving institution to the only vaguely populist conservative think tank in all of Washington D.C.—and he says, ‘I’m not gonna disown and dissociate from Tucker Carlson, and it’s okay,’ while attacking Fuentes.

And Gad jumps on the cancel culture train! So, yeah, Gad, if you keep celebrating cancel culture, you’re no longer a honey badger. You’re a honey bitch! That’s just reality, and I love Gad. I think Gad’s a great intellectual, great public figure, all the rest. But this is unacceptable.

Shots fired! Although I laughed quite a bit at Barnes’s expressed outlook, I also recognize the conditional should belief he used. Superficially, Saad is either a honey badger—in which case he’s acceptable, or he’s a honey bitch—in which case he’s unacceptable. This is a false dilemma.

In REBT, this form of conditional belief employs use of a global evaluation (rating someone as entirely acceptable or unacceptable, though doing so without consideration of other relevant factors about one’s personhood). Thus, while subjectively funny, Barnes’s take isn’t rational.

Favorably, I’ve taken from Saad a number of lessons which I find useful. Unfavorably, he appears to be supporting the cancelling of Carlson for having deigned to have spoken with Fuentes. Personally, people such as Fuentes deserve protections of free speech as much as Saad.

Therefore, while I won’t opine on Saad’s value as a human being (i.e., a honey bitch), I will critique Saad’s apparent abandonment of his own self-described honey badger principles. After all, “Honey badger don’t care, honey badger don’t give a shit” with whom Carlson speaks!

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At Hollings Therapy, LLC, serving all of Texas, I aim to treat clients with dignity and respect while offering a multi-lensed approach to the practice of psychotherapy and life coaching. My mission includes: Prioritizing the cognitive and emotive needs of clients, an overall reduction in client suffering, and supporting sustainable growth for the clients I serve. Rather than simply trying to help you to feel better, I want to try to help you get better!

Deric Hollings, LPC, LCSW

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